Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-9154802-20161208041917

A few months ago, one could click random and would find themselves on a page with maybe a single sentence and at best maybe a single template. The categories were shitty, several of which mostly being duplicates as a result of Edit Farming. These pages would feature grammar on the level of a 5 year old, and the capitalization to match. Fuck them periods though, not like they mattered in the slightest.

These pages cluttered the wiki, and overall needed to be removed, regardless of feelings. If you're going to let bad pages slide, then you have no right to criticize anyone for anything they do. This is a double standard, and everyone should strive to make the best they can. Old pages are only good for nostalgia, and as such, only pages relevant to current RP events(Excluding Fanons and independent work, I.E. Somarinoa and Saints;Hoodie) should be on the wiki. Now old pages can still be relevant, but an effort has to be made to make sure they keep to standard. Quality is the most important factor here, and should be on the top of your priority list. Pages should also be simple enough to give new users something fun to read, while also being detailed enough so that they have the information necessary for RP.

Starting in October, I launched a programme to delete unnecessary pages and purge those that did not fall under established rules. For the most part, this went unhindered, minus a few complaints here and there. When I really started getting into the meat of things, however, things got out of hand.

1. Users assumed when clean up was done, everything would already be perfectly organized.

1.1 This is false, and I'm honestly ashamed to be associated with people who expect       things to be so easily done. Clean up requires a lot of work, and categorization isn't going to be fixed like that. It's a multi step process. First, you merge duplicates, then you delete the useless ones. Next you delete bad or unnecessary pages. This can leave a lot of pages with missing categories and such, and the truth is, it's inevitable. In order to organize properly, you have to make a mess first, and several users don't seem to understand this.

2. Users say that because it's a part of the wiki's history that it should remain.

2.1 This is nothing more than nostalgia blinding the user. It's equivalent to wanting to keep a broken toy despite your parent throwing away because it's dangerous to your health. It's incredibly childish and needs to stop. If you wish to keep an old page so bad, update it to standard, or hope that it is a necessary keep due to RP. If it isn't necessary, and you don't feel like updating the page, why are you even fighting to keep it? Just stop with the clinginess and make a better page. It's the same as making you're presentable in public, and is disgusting when you don't. These pages are also often highly immature and have no place on the wiki. The logic behind the reason people want to keep these pages is often nothing more than sentimentalism and memories, which is terrible logic in the first place. I'm honestly open to the idea of someone making an archive wiki if you insist on keeping it around. But because people only want to complain, they never bothered to do this, or suggest this idea to me. So if your favorite memory has been lost, it's mostly your fault for complaining instead of helping.

3. Users that insist on attacking me and referring to me as a Dictator or Stalin.

3.1 Where do I even begin? First of all, all I'm doing is being an actual admin, a user with rights who uses these rights to make decisions, improve the wiki, and enforce rules without leniency, and notifying others when they are violating established rules and regulations with their content. The reaction to this is honestly comes off as spoiled whining. The users come off as though they have final say when this isn't the case. A user can do votes, a user can form polls. They can create pages, and have discussions. They one thing they can't do, is make decisions about the wiki without admin consent. These users always come across as though they have more say than they actually do, and the reason for this is due to the extreme leniency when it comes to rules. There have even been instances where users will break rules constantly and only get a slap on the wrist because they are a long time friend or others give the reasoning of "That's how they've always been". No. Just no. This isn't right and it's turned this wiki into an anarchy. The wiki's philosophy to be more lenient than other wikis worked in the past, but only in the past. This is because back when this wiki was made, Wikia was an inherently strict place, with very few wikis offering any kind of freedom, with admins who blocked users for speaking out against decisions and stuff. I appreciate Lookout didn't go down this route, but nowadays Wikia is quite lax. Even Community Central allows some swearing now. All the while Lookout became even more lenient. Granted content quality improved, but the wiki still allowed users like Ghoster, Gotanks, and Ambrient to run wild here. They were rarely ever punished, and their pages were of the lowest quality. This wiki wasn't lenient anymore, it was just an anarchy. And whenever someone with common sense tried to enforce anything, a majority of the community flipped out. "OMG rules exist it's the end of the world." That's how everyone was and it's honestly hard to watch. And users who defend these people are just as guilty and should be punished just as severely. You wouldn't defend a murderer, now would you? No. So don't defend bad users. Also, people keep calling me a dictator. Sorry, if I was a dictator, I'd be blocking users left and right for merely speaking their mind. I'd block people for being idiots. I'd delete pages without warning, I'd block people for existing. To call me a dictator is nothing more than just wrong. At most you can call me strict, and even then I'm not as strict as you think I am. You're all just a bunch of lawless delinquents. There's no sugar coating it. You refuse to follow rules, and antagonize me and expect to get away with it. Sorry, I'm not your typical admin that's easily corrupted by user outcry. If I honestly believe someone needs blocked, you're not allowed to complain. When I have someone reporting to me your bad behavior, don't start demanding proof. Demanding proof is an easy way to get your block extended, and unless you can provide proof you DIDN'T do it or enough users can TRUTHFULLY vouch for you, you aren't getting unblocked. I'm not going to take the chance that you are just trying to get away with doing something bad. I just won't take that chance. It'd look bad on my part, so I could care so so soooo little how much you want to scream about it. It isn't worth it, so you're better off just being  patient and letting it end. Hell, if you're nice and behave and don't bother me, I'll unblock you early. I'm easy to work with if you don't scream at me 24/7.

4. Assumptions about L3 and me supposedly being controlling.

4.1 This isn't so much of an issue anymore as L3 has garnered quite a bit of support, but the assumptions that L3 is going to be controlled 100% by me and that I'll force death on people is just wrong. All I'm doing is directing the main events, the main battles, and such. The story is largely lore based, and the main plot rather open, and RP won't be much different from before despite missing a few features from before. More information on this is covered in other forums. about me being controlling however is another matter. All of my actions are based on observation. And while they may not be popular, they are methods I've seen work on other wikis. 